"Animal trainers, hunters, fishermen, cattlemen, grocers, and indeed all non-vegetarians are the moral equivalent of cannibals, slave-owners, and death-camp guards."
"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
"I don't approve of the use of animals for any purpose that involves touching them - caging them."
"Even if animal tests produced a cure [for AIDS], we'd be against it."
"I will be the last person to condemn ALF (Animal Liberation Front)."
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."
This is the true goal of PeTA. This is what PeTA supports. Helping animals is not the goal of PeTA... it is their excuse. Their primary agenda has nothing do to with helping animals.
What does this have to do with PeTA being a terrorist organization as was the subject of this e-mail?
What about us? How have we supported terrorism or broken the law? Have we received and killed animals under the pretext of finding them a good home? NO. Have we dumped the bodies of dead animals into dumpsters? NO. Have we supported terrorists and their actions? NO we have not. We have done none of these actions. PeTA has done these actions. So, what about us? Do you consider us criminals because we eat meat? Allow us to inform you of something you obviously do not know. Eating meat is not illegal or wrong.
If KFC is wrong for selling chicken to the public, then are the customers that purchase the chicken equally as guilty. Why not target the consumer? Why not follow a KFC customer home and protest outside of their home? This is a tactic that has never been tried. That would certainly be more effective than committing arson by burning down a KFC. This might make people stop eating at KFC and that is what they claim is their goal, right?
If the consumer does not buy the product from the seller, the business dries up because there is no demand for the product. Based on your e-mail, this might be hard for you to understand, but it is a question that is never asked. There is an answer for this and we will give it to you. The Eco-terrorists that engage attacks on businesses that deal in animals do so not to save the animals, but because they hate the business in question. For the most part, they do not care about the animals they are "saving", but rather use the excuse of "saving the animals" as a reason to justify their illegal activities.
When slaughterhouses decide to start engaging in terrorism and start supporting people that commit terrorist actions such as arson, vandalism, and theft against vegetarians as a matter of policy, then we will be happy to mention them by name and act. When slaughterhouses decide to give money to known terrorists, we will have no problem in mentioning and writing about this fact.
As far as our lives are, "yes", we do eat meat virtually every day and we intend to continue to do so.
We hope our response has answered your questions and addressed your concerns.
02 October 2010
Danny Holubecki wrote:
It is a simple comparison. They do not care about anyone that believes differently. They wish to do the most amount of damage to law abiding Americans. They share the same mentality. They hate others with a passion.
Explain the following:
None of these ALF activists cared one bit about the animals they killed. Why do ALF activists plant firebombs at the homes of people that have done no harm to any animal? Why do ALF activists vandalize women's clothing stores that do not sell furs with the belief they do sell furs? They do not care about people. They only care about their own selfish agenda and everyone else be damned.
It must be acceptable then, right? The 9-11 terrorists did the same thing. They committed their acts of terrorism to save Muslims from the Great Satan (America).
How many animals suffer at the hands (or claws) of other animals? If we are all equal, why do you single out humans? How do you find cures for diseases common to animals if you do not test on these same animals? How do you find cures for human diseases? We keep hearing there are alternatives to animal testing, but we never hear what these alternatives are. Perhaps you could enlighten us on these equally effective methods of research.
Why is PeTA headquarters never vandalized? All they do is kill animals.
Here is a question we never get an answer to from ALF supporters like you.
If it is ethically or morally right for "Animal Rights Activists" to attack and destroy property in the name of their cause, is it ethically or morally right for someone to target and commit an act of violence or destruction against you and/or your family for whatever reason they view as justifiable?
We await your answer.
It is too bad that you are unable to display the intellect or emotional composure to explain your view without resorting to the use of profanity. You do not have a good argument. You do not even have a good excuse.
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Ed Begley, Jr.
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James Whitmore Jr.
LaTanya Richardson Jackson
Robert David Hall
Robert Duncan McNeill
Samuel L. Jackson
Sean Patrick Flanery
You always hear how these people and their followers claim to support the military, but you rarely hear of any of them actually serving in the military. Those that do are rarely respected by their subordinates and are seldom effective leaders. They always look down on members of the military. A very famous person these people respect made the following statement that pretty much sums up their true feelings.
"You know, education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you -- you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
-- Senator John F. Kerry, speaking at Pasadena City College in a rally for California Democrat gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides, 30 October 2006
They make the claim they support the military, but then they join organizations that call Soldiers and Marines serving on active duty "Killers" and advance rhetoric with false accusations of targeting and killing civilians for no reason, none of which is true, but it gives propaganda and support to the enemy.
Thank goodness these are not the people we rely on for the National Security and defense of the United States.
"Are You A Liberal" is nothing more than a collection of beliefs that come from the statements and actions of Liberals. It is nothing more than a list of common beliefs found among certain Liberal groups and people. Of course, not every belief listed belongs to every Liberal. However, it does show the general trend of ideology acquired from statements by self-proclaimed and well-known Liberals that shines the light of truth on Liberal philosophy.
How many of the 260+ items applied to you?
And before you can say it, no, I'm no rich supporter of the Democrats. I'm a college student, an anarchist, an environmentalist, a feminist, and an animal rights supporter. I know that even though I've never committed what you people would think of as a violent crime (like property destruction, or something), just those descriptions of myself might lead you to believe that I am a terrorist, which I'm not.
In other words, someone else, probably your parents, is paying the bills necessary for you to go to college. You never did say what college you are attending, but if you believe or are taught that Capitalism oppresses poor people, the college education you are receiving, the one that you are probably not paying for, is lacking on so many levels.
It is easy to be a Socialist or Anarchist or hold some other similar ideology when you have someone else giving you what you need and chances what they give you was earned under the Capitalist system you find so evil, oppressive, and unfair. Any system that encourages people to demand that others give them what they want or think they deserve is a system that will only provide a minimum existence based on what someone else decides you need. A belief system that is based on the "Redistribution of Wealth" and promises a Utopian society will only deliver despair, poverty, and hopelessness. History has proven this to be the inevitable result time and time again.
We never accused you of any crime. We logically concluded that vandalism and arson is a crime, but based on your comment, you do not. The hatred of the Animal Rights Activists involved in committing such a crime against the intended target is a violent act.
In closing, I'd just like to say that if you think animal rights/liberation groups and environmental groups are terrorist organizations, I wonder what would happen if any of you were to meet a real terrorist.
That is funny, because it is people like us that are the ones protecting people like you from terrorism. In a terrorist attack, we are the ones that are the first and last line of defense against the terrorists that wish to kill Americans. It is people like us that have served and are currently serving in the military. It is people like us that are giving our troops our full support and not protesting against them and at the same time, empowering the enemy. A united front against terrorism is what is needed and a united front against terrorism is what the "Peace Movement" refuses to show. We should all consider ourselves very lucky that you were not around during in the 1940s because you would have been protesting against the efforts to stop the Nazis from invading Europe and the Japanese from taking control of the Far East.
We often receive e-mails showing the totally irrational and hysterical nature of Liberals that hate this website and loathe our existence. For your pleasure, we provide for you the following e-mails from indypain@*********.net proving this very point. With the exception of adjusting the profanity with an asterisk to maintain a certain level of decorum, we are printing these e-mails exactly as received.
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18 June 2010
Ot only are you the scum of the earth for creating such a despicable web site but you are also an astoundingly ignorant, un-conscious, mentally retarded, evil f*cking moron...there is a special place in hell reserved for satanic spawn like you...namaste. also :)
It sounds like we struck a nerve. What do you not like about the website? Did we write something inaccurate or untrue? Instead of hysterically resorting to name calling and personal insults, why not actually state what you find incorrect or where you have a problem with the website? Is this approach beyond your capacity to discuss a subject intelligently?
If we are everything you stated, then why are you even taking the time to write us? Based on the tone of your e-mail, it sounds like we stated a truth you find distasteful, but you have not contradicted anything we have stated. We would love to hear from you again. If you write us again, we would be happy to discuss whatever facts you wish to dispute, that is if you can control yourself to the point where you can think rationally without the hysterics and lack of focus we have seen on this e-mail.
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2 of 4
19 June 2010
sweet jeebus you Repiglickin retards is stoopid...do you realize you represent the most intellectually/ morally bankrupt inhabitants of this country...if you were any less intelligent I'm certain they'd have to re-classify your species as some sub-human subset that has branched off into an alternative evolutionary form that will hopefully die off soon, much like your Neanderthal relatives (and it doesn't matter if you morons don't BELIEVE in evolution cause it happens whether your tiny brains can comprehend the reality of the universe?) To quote your fearful leader and war criminal little dick cheney, 'GO F*CK YOURSELF!' also (looks like you teabaggin' $carah Palin-lovin' imbeciles are havin' a tough time realizin' you're almost extinct?!) Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish! also (yeah you gotta love the LARGE font method of response, and in all RED too...hell why didn't ya go full retard and use ALL CAPS?! :)
don't bother wasting any of your precious few brain cells responding cuz your dumb Repiglickin ass has been blocked...good luck coping with the mental illness, delusional personality disorder can be a BITCH! also :~)
This was a well-written letter displaying the full extent of your education. We commend you on the level of intelligent thought utilized to disprove the accuracy of this website and the values we represent. You are an absolute credit to Liberals throughout the world. It is abundantly clear, as evidenced by your e-mails, that you represent the highest standard of critical thinking within the groups and people that share your political beliefs.
The reason we did not use all uppercase letters is because using uppercase indicated yelling or the raising of your voice. Despite your e-mail, we are still in control of our emotions with the ability to intelligently discuss any aspect of the subject matter contained within the website. However, your e-mail does lend itself to the idea that you are responding "Emotionally" rather than thinking "Intellectually" because, aside from the personal insults, you have not actually formulated an intelligent thought about anything on this website.
The reason we use red font is to differentiate our response from the original e-mail and because there have been reports that have shown that Liberals tend not to like red font. Apparently that is true because it has certainly struck a nerve in you to the point that all you can do is to hurl insults and resort to personal attacks.
So... what information on this website do you dispute?
E-mails from indypain@*********.net
3 of 4
05 July 2010
a wise old farmer once told me 'never argue with a Repig, it just frustrates you and irritates the Repig'...now really, F*CK OFF!!! MORONS. ALSO :)
We are still wondering why you ever wrote us. You have not made any kind of intelligent argument countering anything we have said. Yet again, you have constructed a well-written letter displaying the full extent of your education. All you have done is resorted to personal insults and name calling without making any intelligent argument supporting whatever it is you believe. You cannot even explain what it is that you believe. The subject of your e-mails was "Cindy Sheehan". Nowhere in any of your e-mails was Cindy Sheehan or any other person on this website mentioned. All you wanted to do was to spend time hurling insults at us because it makes you feel better. It is all you have. You do not have any intelligent ideas to dispute anything we have said. You cannot argue with the truth, all you can do is combat what we say with everything in your mental arsenal - nothing.
The ironic thing is that the farmer you speak of is probably a Conservative and a Republican. It is too bad you did not actually know the wise old farmer, he probably could have taught you something.
E-mails from indypain@*********.net
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07 July 2010
really, f*ck off morons, it's so easy to see why people can't stand you phony 'Christian', homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted,narrow-minded, ignorant Repigs...thank Gawd you people will be weeded out by evolution soon (and it doesn't matter that you don't 'believe in it, it works anyway! :) also
You write us and insult us, but you cannot dispute or hold an intelligent argument challenging anything we say. You cannot even articulate your ideas and thoughts. Your beliefs seem founded on hysterical and uncontrolled ranting and emotional outbursts more akin to a hissy fit rather than bearing any likeness to intelligent and analytical thought. All you can do is engage in a barrage of insults and profanity without advancing a single idea, aside from showing the abject hatred that forms the cornerstone of your beliefs. It is obvious that if you ever explained your position, the shear mind-numbing stupidity would become evident and your ideas would cease to be a factor. The proof of this is evident in your four e-mails where all you have done is thrown insults at us without showing the slightest inkling of rational thought. This effort must be one of your proudest moments, certainly an important intellectual milestone on your part. You should cherish the moment as long as you can as it is likely to be your life's greatest accomplishment.
16 June 2010
Mitch Franks wrote:
How dare you justify the killing of animals and the people that protect them. Your organization is no better than Hitler and his armies. You are monsters. God bless the ALF.
How can you justify the destruction and terrorist attacks on law abiding citizens? Seeing how you like to make comparisons to Hitler and the Nazi Party, allow us to present you with a few facts. The ALF holds the same values as Hitler and the Nazi Party. The Nazis were rabid animal rights supporters just like the ALF and we know how that ended. The attacks on people they target like Kristallnacht are exactly what the ALF does to people. The graffiti is only slightly different, but the inherent hatred remains the same.
So, you support the ALF. Well, suppose we examine what you actually support.
"Some say it is morally unacceptable but it is equally unacceptable to use animals in experiments. The children of those scientists are enjoying a lifestyle built on the blood and abuse of innocent animals. Why should then be allowed to close the door on that and sit down and watch TV and enjoy themselves when animals are suffering and dying because of the actions of the family breadwinner? They are a justifiable target for protest."
-- Robin Webb, Press Officer Animal Liberation Front
But, according to you, we are the monsters.
"The third policy is to take every reasonable precaution not to harm or endanger life, either human or non-human."
-- Robin Webb, Press Officer Animal Liberation Front
"And if someone wishes to act as the Animal Rights Militia or the Justice Department? Simply put, the third policy of the A.L.F. no longer applies."
-- Robin Webb, Press Officer Animal Liberation Front
But, according to you, we are the monsters.
Here is a classic case of the ALF in action.
On 6/14/2007 at approximately 4:30am, Linda's Fashions and Fur Salons, at 903 Old Scalp Avenue, Johnstown, PA, was visited under cover of night by masked activists. The letters ALF were spraypainted on the building, and a cinderblock was thrown through the front door. This action was carried out in solidarity with Earth Liberation Prisoner Jeffrey Luers, who recently began Year seven of his almost 23 year sentence, and all others who refuse to compromise in defense of our earth. We refuse to be intimidated by the forces of government repression, and we refuse to forget our comrades. Until all the cages are empty and all are free, our struggle continues. This is not the last you'll see of us Linda.
Linda's Fashions does not sell furs and have not for 20 years.
But, according to you, we are the monsters.
By supporting the ALF, you support firebombing attacks on people. Explain how these tactics are different than the Nazi supported attacks on Jews under Hitler.
There is no other way to say it. By supporting the ALF as you claim, you actively justify and encourage certain selfish, criminal, and negative aspects of society that you would never approve if they were inflicted on you or your family and friends. You support criminals. You support the Nazi tactics of the ALF. You support firebombing people's homes. You support harming children. You support an anti-Capitalist agenda... Any questions?
I am very impressed with your efforts to get people to hate islam , but unfortunately you cant stop it from being the fastest growing religion around the world, remember that islam only attacks what attacks it. Please take the time and effort to learn arabic and read the REAL quran & when you truly understand it, then you may post information about it.
It is not our efforts that get people to hate Islam; it is the actions and deeds of Islamic terrorists that kill innocent civilians in the name of Islam that get people to hate Islam. Since 11 September 2001, there have been over 15,000 acts of terrorism from Islamic terrorists. It is the lack of Muslims that speak against these actions that show indifference to the victims. All we (non-Muslims) ever hear from the Islamic community is how these Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims. Most of these terrorists are recruited from Islamic study centers and then trained to kill as many civilians as possible in terrorist attacks.
We have only presented the truth. If we have made an error, please be specific on what that mistake is and we will correct it. We never get an answer, but we will present the question again. What information on the website is incorrect?
The reason Islam is the fastest growing religion is because of the birthrate within the Islamic community and the lack of birthrate from western cultures. It is no secret that in the next 20 years, most of Europe will be Muslim because of this. Just because Islam is the fastest growing religion does not give it credibility or change anything about the religion. All that growth does, based on the Islamic history and trends of the last 1400 years, is to increase the hatred of other religions throughout the world and magnify what we have stated. It does not change what Islam is, it just increases the population of future terrorists throughout the world.
Certainly, one of the attractions of Islam is how women are treated and the power men have over their women. That alone is enough to attract a certain type of person. As a tenant of the religion, being able to marry very young girls, sometimes as young as 6 years old, is a strong attraction for pedophiles and rapists. Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
Under Islamic law (Sharia), rape is virtually impossible to prove and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman. The threat of rape, the requirement of witnesses to testify for the woman, the punishment for adultery for being raped, and let us not forget the honor killing aspect of Islamic culture is nothing more than a method of controlling the female population.
Now, what is it that WE have actually done to make people hate Islam?
I would first like to introduce my background to you , I am a female muslim woman and i do believe that the internet and media portrays my religion as a religion for terrorists and chauvinists , there are countless reasons for these efforts , if 9/11 did not occur , Presedent George bush would have no reason to declare 'war against terrorism' in Iraq and other (islamic) countries, Because George bush was able to do this america got its fuel resources from iraq therefore it lowered the gas prices in america therefore it enabled america to have a better economy ( or at least that was his goal) it is not just oil that has been taken from iraq it is many other resources. ( You may want to watch the documentary on this)
America did not take control of Iraqi oil reserves. We did not steal the oil like Iraq tried to do with Kuwait. It should also be noted that America did not take control of a single oil well from the Kuwaiti oil fields as payment for helping them fight the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990. America came to the aid of Kuwait. The fact is that most of the oil America imports comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela. Whether you like it or not, the developed world runs on the free flow of oil.
If the 9-11 attack had not taken place, the world would be so different now. As far as America is concerned, Islamic terrorism would still be a problem confined in the Middle East.
But to make it clear what is wrong with your site is that you are saying that islam = terrorism . correct?.
No, it is not correct, but if that gets you through the day, there is little we can do to change your mind. If you read the Islam page, you would see that we refer to the problems of Islamic terrorism as "Radical Islam", because we recognize the fact that most people, while they may bear some prejudice toward other cultures, would just assume not take the time to actually fight a war. We clearly state that Radical Islam = Terrorism.
In islam and any other religion different people follow what they think is right for them . correct? There may be a christian who has read the bible and knows that one of the commandments is not to kill ( or murder any one) . yet there are Christians who murder others despite what they believe in.
It has been publically stated countless times by so many Muslims that the Koran remains for all Muslims the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places and its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question the Koran is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous and an insult to Allah. It is a Muslim's duty is to believe the Koran and obey its divine commands without question.
This is the same with islam , With islam we are suppose to follow something called Sunna. But not every muslim is a sunna ( sunna is strictly what is in the quran and what the quran and Allah says we should follow) . Not every muslim is a sunna and this is why we get differentiations on the opinions of islam. and this is also how terrorism arrised and how some people justify their terrorism as an islamic act.
Why do we not see any Muslims publically questioning and protesting against those that openly state their hatred for Jews and Western Culture as we have courageously listed in the "Quotes from the Islamic World"? Are we wrong? Did we misquote anyone? Why is there not worldwide Muslim outrage against these people?
And please reply to me when you find In the quran or any of the prophet sayings that say we should follow hitler or that we are supporters of his killings, because ofcourse you would know that there is a difference between a few peoples opinions ( the pictures that you posted of angry protestors) or actual hard evedence in the quran of our support.
If we are not mistaken, the Koran was written long before Hitler. We are surprised you did not know this. It is historically accurate to acknowledge that Muslims sided with and fought with Nazi forces during World War II. Perhaps you have not heard of Haj Amin Muhammad Al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem. Allow us to divulge a few facts about this man that is held in high regard in Muslim communities around the world.
As grand mufti, al Husseini presided as the Imam of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, the highest Muslim authority in the British mandate.
History shows Al Husseini to be a brutal man with aspirations to rule a pan-Arabic empire in the Middle East. He rose to prominence by actively eliminating those he considered a threat to his control of Jerusalem's Arab population, and he heavily utilized anti-Jewish propaganda to polarize the two communities.
In 1920 and again in 1929, Al Husseini incited anti-Jewish riots by claiming the Jews were plotting to destroy the Al Asqa mosque. The riots resulted in the massacre of hundreds of Jewish civilians and a virtual end to the Jewish presence in Hebron.
The 1936 Arab revolt against the British is believed to have been at least partially funded by Nazi Adolf Eichmann, and Al Husseini again ordered armed Arab militias to massacre Jewish citizens.
In March 1944, Al Husseini broadcast a call for a jihad to "kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion." Al Husseini personally recruited Bosnia Muslims for the German Waffen SS, including the Skanderberg Division from Albania and Hanjer Division from Bosnia. The Hanjer (Saber) Division of the Waffen SS was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.
SS leader Heinrich Himmler was so pleased with Al Husseini's Muslim Nazis that he established the Dresden-based Mullah Military School for their continued recruitment and training. In 1944, Hanjer commandos parachuted into Tel Aviv and poisoned drinking wells in Jewish communities in an effort to stir up ethnic tensions.
All Muslims should publically condemn this man, but such is not the case.
As all religoins Islam does belive that it is the chosen religoin, Same as the any other holy book would say. Islam tought us NOT to discriminate against other religoins because if we do , we are non belivers ( dont believe me look it up) because the quran teaches us that these are books of god ( the bible & towra ) & as all other religoins we believe who ever is not our religoin will probably ( in gods willing) go to hell , except kids and people who are mentaly ill or born unable to understand between whats rightand wrong ( such as individuals with down syndrome) .
Judaism does not teach what you just stated. There is no attempt to convert anyone to Judaism with the goal to save their souls. When it is said that the Jews are the Chosen People, it is referring to the Jewish people being chosen by God to receive the Ten Commandments.
If you really believe that Islam teaches Muslims to be tolerant of other religions, why is Islam at war with all other religions? Why do we see such hatred spew from the mouths of Imams and the leaders of Islam around the world. Again, look at the quotes and listen to what they have to say. No one forces Muslims to commit the acts of terrorism against innocent people.
Last but not least , I am a female muslim woman with more rights than you can imagine , i can choose to put a scarf on my head or not, i can choose to pray or not , i can choose to leave my islamic environment and go to america for example. I am also in university getting an education ( sounds pretty free to me) and both my parents are religous muslims. I grew up happy & i still am happy and i only chose to maintain being muslim after further reaserch from all perspectives.
You should try to live that life under Taliban rule or in Iran where Radical Islam prevails. In Iran, the legal age of marriage for a woman is nine years old. You can bet a girl married that young is not going to any university. Were you forced to receive female circumcision or was it a choice you made? So many Islamic women are not so free to choose. What would happen if you openly rejected Islam and decided to convert to Christianity or Judaism?
Congratulations on being able to continue your education. How many Muslim women do not have that choice because of Islam?
And i am sorry to say this but if i were a person who has never heard of islam and i have just read the information on your website, i would instantly get a bad impression that may stick and turn into hate. This is a website of hate.
What is it that we have stated that is not true? The impression that most terrorists are Muslim is true. Radical Islam is behind the terrorism and Muslims around the world will not stand against it.
It is as if i make my own website saying Christians are racists they hate African americans! they are the KKK , ( which you may know that during their rituals they stated quotes from the bible) . i could say that, but not EVERY christian now or 50 years ago believed that it was something connected to god and Christianity . That would be false Christianity.
Here is the difference. Christians publically stand against the KKK by the millions. Every public rally the KKK assembles is met with massive public protest by Christians. With all the photos of the angry Muslims seen protesting, you never see any Muslims protesting against the radical element that is the cause for Muslim hatred that you compare to the KKK.
We are not Muslim and we can do nothing that will change anything about Islam or the effective outcome of Islam and how it is perceived by other "Infidels". You make the claim you are a Muslim. You and other Muslims are the only people that can change Islam and stop the evil associated with the religion due to the actions committed in the name of the religion. For evil to exist, the only thing that is required is for good people to do nothing and that is what we have seen from the Muslim world - nothing. There has been no public outcry and condemnation against the terrorism created by Islamic terrorists. Instead, during the 9-11 attacks, we saw Palestinian Arabs dancing in the streets and passing out candy in celebration. Suicide bombers are held as martyrs and heroes - something to be worshiped. How are the 9-11 hijackers thought of in the Islamic community?
Examine the case of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the bomber of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. He was released from prison on compassionate grounds because he was suffering from prostate cancer and supposedly only has 3 months to live. Upon his return to Libya, he was given a hero's reception. Six months after his release, Megrahi, was living in a spacious two-storey villa with his wife and their five grown-up children in a prosperous suburb of Tripoli, the Libyan capital. The property has a spacious garden and an area where the family erects a large tent to entertain visitors for celebrations. His family was paid a substantial compensation by the Libyan Government after he was jailed for life and he has the support and admiration of Muslims around the world. This is the reward for Islamic terrorism. Not a single Muslim has ever publically stated any objection to the bombing or his release from prison even though he was responsible for the deaths of 270 people. His support is from Muslims everywhere. You cannot tell us these people were KKK styled Muslims.
The fact is Muslims celebrate terrorism against "Infidels". Those Muslims that do not actively celebrate it do very little to nothing to curtail it because there are so few Muslims that actively speak against Islamic terrorism loud enough to be heard. Islamic terrorism is not something you can remain neutral. Either you support it or you stand against it. If you do nothing, you are not standing against it and you allow it to flourish and grow.
azeem latif wrote:
Hope u will be fine. sir i have visited ur site accidently and i request u to please shut down this site or remove the material about our prophet.
i know it would be very hard for u but i hope u must have humanity in ur heart and u could understand that cartoon making of our prophet is a very painful thing for us ( muslims) please i request u to remove all those cartoons.
God Bless you sir,
i hope u will understand my feelings.
Thank u very much.
This is an amazing e-mail. You are upset that we wrote about a historical event how certain cartoons published in a Danish newspaper upset the Muslim community months after their printing. That is incredible. Let us see what did not upset you, at least not enough to cause you to offer an opinion as you did with the cartoon.
Does it not bother you that you never see Muslims speaking against any of what we just stated? In fact, you do not dispute a single fact on the website nor are you upset with a single fact that we have documented. No no no... You are upset about the publishing of a cartoon contest and the reaction of Muslims over the winning entry. This is what you find offensive and painful. We find your viewpoint to be astonishing on so many levels. This is the perfect example of a concept that we have always known about Islam. It is not peace you want, but rather acceptance of complete Islamic dominance over all people in all aspects of life.
Why is it that Muslims tolerate the Islamic terrorist attacking and killing Jews and Westerners around the world? You never see Muslims standing against the Islamic groups such as Hezbollah launching missiles into Israel or the use of suicide bombers walking into a crowded market place and killing as many people as possible. Do Muslims not see that is wrong? Where are the protests against actions like this? Instead, we see Muslims protesting carrying signs calling for the death of non-Muslims and supporting Nazi ideals. These photos we have on the website do not cause you any concern at all, but a cartoon by Kurt Westergaard published in a Danish newspaper and then months later in an Egyptian newspaper where it got all the attention from Muslims despite the rampantly growing Islam population in Denmark is what causes so much concern.
If you do not like the facts we have presented about Islam and its radical nature, you are welcome to dispute their accuracy. If you can show us where we are wrong, we will be happy to make the necessary change. No one ever does. You would be the first one to do so. So far, you have not, but we welcome your opinion.
Jordan Hristov wrote:
I saw your bullsh*ts in this site and cannot believe how manipulated and stupid you can be.
First at all the islamic people cannot be anti-semitic, because practically the Arabian tribes comes to be with semitic origin.As you probably know the islam has arabic origin.
Here is some news for you. Anti-Semitism is not anti-Arab, but anti-Jewish. Here is some more news to you. Islamic Arabs tend to dislike Jews along with everyone else, which they refer to as Infidels.
If you have some sort of education about that (which I totally doubt) you should know that semitic nations are usually described with their arabian-arameic alphabet. Other than that if you ask for the peace and freedom of that religion please think about the crusaders and the other religious and ideological wars in the middle east during the last 2000 years especially the colonial interests of England and France
Islam has always been intolerant of other religions.
To address your comment of having some sort of education, we will let your e-mail, printed exactly as received, to serve as the example showing the extent of your education.
The terrorism came around the beginning of 20th century as protection of other influences mainly English and French (as well as Russian).
Because of the Islamic belief Islam should reign supreme over all other religions, terrorism has been a major component of Islam against other religions for centuries.
By the way if you know something about the population of the jews during the last 1500 years you'll find out some interesting things. As you probably know there are a lot of Jews in Netherlands at present times (these jewish came to Netherlands mainly from south Spain during the mid centuries. But the interesting fact is why these jews were in south Spain before that and why?? I'll explain you... because the cristians torture jews since the Crisianity became the main religion in the Roman empire and they escaped in Caliphate of Cordoba for that reason. ) As you probably understand (I hope) the Caliphate is Islamic country ... well I'll explain you something during this time Cordoba has street lighting. That is around 6-7 centuries before discovering of American continents of Hispanics and 7-8 centuries before USA even exist.
We completely agree with you about the Spanish Inquisition. We did not know that Cordoba had street lighting. Thank you for that tidbit of information, but how does this relate to anything contained within this website?
Here is something you may not know. Jewish populations, along with other populations, have been persecuted and enslaved by Muslim populations since Muhammad invented Islam.
Here is something you may not know... The Jews that migrated to the Netherlands never tried to change or take over the country. They assimilated into the country. The same cannot be said for the Muslim immigrants. In 20 years, the Netherlands, as with most of Europe, will be predominately Muslim. What kind of a peaceful transition will that become?
I'm not muslim an, but these bullsh*ts which you write are just ridiculous.
Would you care to cite a specific example? What is it that we have written that you find ridiculous?
If you talk about enjoying of freedom you should know that the first autonomous university of the world is islamic. If you doubt please check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Azhar_University .... anyway the oldest university in the world which still exist is islamic too.
Have a nice day,
This is another interesting tidbit of information. They had outdoor lighting and an old university. We are not sure what the connection is between talking about freedom and the existence of an Islamic university or how this has anything to do with anything we have actually stated, but apparently you have made some connection. We would love to hear more from you comparing irrelevant information we never mentioned and the factual material contained within the many pages of this website.
What facts on this website do you actually dispute? As with so many people that write to us complaining about our Islamic page, it is never actually stated we are wrong about anything, just that they do not like our existence and resort to personal attacks. Here is your chance to actually dispute our claims. We await your reply with breathless anticipation where you are able to disprove anything we have stated.
Nadine Berumen wrote:
Animal rights will never go away. Keep you're mind closed and you will never grow as a person. I don't want to change you're mind I'm over that concept you won't listen so direct action is the only choice.
Do not worry, we are not going anywhere either and from the tone of your e-mail, we know that bothers you and the animal rights people that decide that they have the right to destroy other people's property based on their own values. If you do not like the fact that we have reported on a small portion of the crimes committed by the criminals of the animal rights movement, it does not bother us at all. We have only spoken the truth. If you do not like the truth, it is probably because the truth directly challenges the morality of your life.
From this intelligently written e-mail, we can certainly feel the "love to all things living" you have in your heart. It is too bad you have such contempt and disregard for the law along with your fellow human beings you choose to target just like a sex offender stalker. How would you feel if others shared that same attitude for the law and decided to act against you? No one from the animal rights movement can ever answer that question. Why is that?
It seems that you mind is closed to the point that you cannot even tell us why you are so upset with what we have said. We are listening; you are just not saying anything. We have no idea what specifically you do not like about us. If you are in the right and your mind was really open, why would you not want to change our minds on the subject? Is it because your ethics and morals are corrupted to the point you actually want to target law abiding citizens?
If direct action i.e. criminal activity is the only way that you can get your point across, you are using the same tactics as the KKK and their direct actions against those they did not like. By all means, you are welcome to explain the difference.
You never did actually say what it was about our existence that you found so disturbing. What is it that we have said that you find so terrible? Did we write something that was untrue?
I'm so glad there are people like you because it gives people like me more motivation to keep fighting for the animal liberation movement. This is a underground revolution but the more resistence we get from you the stronger we get. We are not going to go away. we have had to live with ignorant people like you and now we
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It brings you happiness that people like us motivate you to break the law and destroy other people's property. That is an interesting statement. Do we really motivate you to commit crimes against other people?
We would like to address the last sentence, but you failed to finish your thought on what you were going to do after having to live with ignorant people like us. Perhaps you need more practice collecting your thoughts and sending complete e-mails from your iPhone.
Nadine Berumen wrote:
Do not ever email me again
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What a disappointment. We expected a well thought out and concise response supporting your position. One would have thought you might try and make an intelligent argument espousing your beliefs about whatever it is you dispute, but it appears you were unable to form even the most basic thought patterns in your feeble attempt to change our minds. This is just another example of the way people like you in the animal rights movement think "emotionally" rather than "intellectually".
You feel the laws of civilized society that everyone else is expected to follow and live by should not apply to you because in your mind, you have loftier ideals and principles, yet you are unable to make even the most rudimentary explanation defending your position. The inability to articulate any rational thought and explain how you would feel if a group of people with your attitude for the law decided to target you is exactly the level of intellect that runs rampant throughout the animal rights movement. You do not have a good argument. You do not even have a good excuse. Indeed, you are the quintessential embodiment of the animal liberation movement representing the very best these groups have to offer.
Dan Meyer wrote:
Great site; if it wasn't for the gross hypocrisy.
This hypocrisy exists on several levels, two of which are painfully obvious:
1) Did we not start out as a nation of terrorists? I can imagine a site like this being hosted by King George II during the time of our Revolution, only his "targets of opportunity" would have been "radicals" and "terrorists" like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and the like.
The Pilgrims were not terrorists. The settlers at Jamestown were not terrorists. The Founding Fathers of the United States were not terrorists. This country did not start out as a group of terrorists and it has not become a nation of terrorists. It is too bad this is what you were taught to believe. The Founding Fathers believed in an ideal based on Freedom, Liberty, and Individual Rights. Imagine how different your life would be without their convictions of these values. Just think how different the world would be today without America?
If you are going to call the Founding Fathers terrorists, you have to include all of their followers too such as the entire Continental Army and anyone that ever supported or believed in the Constitution, because according to you, it was a document written by terrorists in furtherance of their terrorist agenda.
2) America would not exist today without the widespread violence and "terrorism" exacted on the indigenous people of this land. Take the definition of terrorism you use on your website: "Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or group against people or property with the intent of intimidation or coercion often for ideological or political reasons..." - that sounds like an excellent description of the history of American Indians since the arrival of Columbus. The only difference is we didn't outlaw the murder, rape, destruction and taking of lands, and genocide of these people.
This is where you show your hatred for Columbus and everything that lead to the creation of the United States of America and label all involved all as terrorists.
Violence took place on both sides. The Indians, or indigenous people as you refer to them, were not as peaceful as you claim. What you seem to forget is that Indian tribes were at war with each other all the time and had been for hundreds of years. They all did not live in peace with each other. If you want to claim the American Indian often got a raw deal, you get no argument from us. If you are going to assert that we are responsible for that raw deal, we will argue with you on that, for we had nothing to do with it.
I am not, by any means, saying that these people whom you suggest are "threats to America" are using sound logic or even fully justified in their actions.
We ARE saying that they are NOT justified in their actions. You seem to be having a hard time making that statement. We do agree with one point and that is they are not using sound logic. Their logic is based on Marxist and/or Anarchist Philosophy.
What you people at "target of opportunity" need to realize is that to see terrorists, you need only look into the mirror. Sure, the reflection might not look like a terrorist or even act like a terrorist, but look past that short-sighted gaze of imperialism and industrial culture and you might just begin to see a faint trail of blood that exists on every one of our hands if we take part in this culture.
No, you are just trying to justify their actions by saying that all of the Founding Fathers were evil terrorists and because we are against terrorism, we are hypocritical because we do not refer to George Washington and the other Founding Fathers of America as terrorists. You also assert that the terrorist actions of the groups mentioned on this website have used the same methods as the Founding Fathers and therefore should not be considered terrorists because they mean well and are actually fighting for a cause. You speak ill of the Founding Fathers, yet you make the claim that the people mentioned on this website are using the same methods and yet you cannot claim that they are actually terrorists. This is bit of hypocrisy on your part.
If you are going to make the claim we need to look into the mirror to see a terrorist, you first have to assert that we have actually committed an act of terrorism. You are not a terrorist until you commit the overt act. We have actually cited the examples of the terrorist actions committed by the people and groups listed on this website. We have cited the Marxist ideals they use to justify their methods. Apparently to you, just our existence is proof of terrorism or at least, guilt by association for living in a country founded by, as you put is, terrorists. Where are you from that you can remove yourself from this terrorist reflection in the mirror?
You want to believe that America is an imperialist country. Such is not the case at all, but we know you want to believe it with all your heart. Where does this leave you? What country do you live in where America has not been a positive influence on your life? If you really believe what you say, then what do you see when you look in the mirror? It is clear you have taken part in this culture because you are using a computer to send this e-mail to us and browse the internet created in this America and chances are you are using software created and pioneered in America.
Your site is about those people who put their lives on the line to stand up against huge corporations, an unforgiving government, and brutal law enforcement to fight for something very often unjust or illegal in its own right.
This website is about people that commit acts of terrorism and their ideals. What you fail to realize is that there is a way to change the laws these people rail against. The Founding Fathers made sure of that when they wrote and signed the Constitution.
But you're blind to the damage, destruction, and "terrorism" these corporations, governments, and law enforcement exact on the people, and the land of this great country. I don't blame you, it's the culture in which we live in that either ignores or justifies violence from one group of people to another and abhors violence directed back at it. A great example is sharks: we fear sharks and describe them as one of the most vicious killing machines on the planet. We talk about the victims of shark attacks (96 of them in 2006 [wikipedia]) and discuss the dangers of sharks and the fear they instill in the poor innocent beach-goer. What we don't talk about are the 100 million sharks killed by humans every year (wikipedia). 100 million! What exactly is the killing machine here? That should illustrate how the dominant culture bring us to the understanding that some violence (dropping bombs on Afghan/Iraqi cities, strip mining, clear cutting) isn't violence at all (or is ignored or is completely justified) while other brands of violence (civil disobedience [law breaking], tiny acts of vandalism, and small scale social disruption employed to stop the aforementioned brands of violence) are completely unacceptable.
Would you please state where or how we are blind to the damage that you claim? What exactly did we say to give you reason to make that assertion? All you do is compare the existence of corporations with shark fishing. We have cited many examples of the terrorism committed by these people and groups on this website. We have stated they are indeed acts of terrorism. We have clearly stated they are wrong. You are the one that has tried to justify them without claiming they are wrong.
I also don't think you should blame all this on a liberal/marxist/socialist agenda. The dichotomy of left and right is one of the things that is tearing this country apart by the seams! - it falsely assumes that people are on one side OR the other. Unfortunately many people fall into this dualistic trap and do perceive this idea of a divided nation of left and right. We forget that we all want relatively the same thing but we simply disagree on how to get there. The left and right agree on much more than this site would make people believe, and, (all this goes for the left as well) much can be accomplished if the large (yet often difficult to find) field of common ground can be found.
Thanks for reading,
We clearly have spoken against Socialist agendas and big intrusive government and the dangers hidden within these ideals. The fact that many of these terrorist groups hold very Left-Wing Marxist agendas is one of the dangers. Radical Environmental groups that support terrorist actions that you associate with the methods of America's Founding Fathers hold extreme Marxist ideals. This is no secret. These people are on one side... You do not see Conservatives supporting these terrorist actions. You even see them as terrorist's actions by making the justification they are the very same methods used by the Founding Fathers. But somehow in your mind, the Founding Fathers were evil but these people morally justified.
As far as we want the same thing, this is just not true. If you actually read the website, you could easily see this. Radical Environmentalists want to end animal farming, or as they refer to it, animal exploitation. They want to end pet ownership and anything that gives humans any dominance over animals. They do this by committing arson is many instances. We speak against this as an act of terrorism regardless of whether anyone is killed or not. You try and justify it with a comparison to the Founding Fathers whom you refer to as terrorists, then claim we are the epitome of hypocrisy.
Socialist ideals make people believe they are entitled to the government taking wealth from a certain segment of the population and giving it to another. This entitlement keeps getting bigger and bigger and including larger percentage of the population. You think we all want the same thing but this is just not true. Socialism allows for in ever increasing level of dependency. This is in direct opposition to Freedom and Liberty.
Natalia Arias Perez wrote:
This website was thrust upon me by a schoolmate who wondered if she should use it as a source in her essay, I recommended not. I find this website disturbing, not where you link terrorism to evil for that is natural given historical events. But when you throw socialism into the same pile and claims that Americans are in danger from it. (and its always exclusively about Americans isn't it, too ignorant to think of the perspective of the rest of the planet) Socialism is not communism, nor is it even close, reading your website makes me conclude that none of you have actually read Marx or understand his philosophy. You have the most unfair society in the western world, and you continue to fear monger your people so that that won't change.
This is an interesting e-mail. We see Socialism as a threat to the Liberty and Freedom that Americans enjoy. It is strange how you mention that we are not including the dangers of Socialism to the populations of other countries, yet you then assert that Socialism is actually good for mankind. You see our perspective of the rest of the planet as not included in the danger of Socialism, yet you want assert that America is the most unfair society in the western world due to a lack of Socialism. Make up your mind. If we are not including the rest of the world in the dangers of Socialism and you believe that Socialism is good for the world and we do not understand anything about Karl Marx, why are you upset that we have not included the rest of the world? We do see that Socialism is a severe obstacle to growth and prosperity to any country that adopts that mentality, but most countries were not founded on principles of Liberty and Freedom as America was.
You state that we do not understand Karl Marx and that Socialism and Communism are not even close. You do realize that Karl Marx is known as the 'Father of Communism', right?
If you want to live in a Socialist society, go ahead, but why do you want to force the Socialist lifestyle onto those that do not wish to be enslaved by Socialist ideals? The question is rhetoric as we know the answer. Socialism needs successful people in order to have a source of wealth that can be taken away and redistributed it to others. Let us take a look at the definition of Socialism.
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Belief in Socialism is belief in big, excessive, and intrusive government. That is where we differ in what we believe the role of government should be. Conservatives believe in limited government that should provide for the population what they cannot provide for themselves... not what they will not provide for themselves.
Socialism is government control over its citizens. Socialism stagnates from an increasingly larger segment of the population receiving increasingly larger entitlements from the producers. More and more people are supported by less and less people. Under Socialism, the citizens do not have to work to earn their worth. They do not have to work to earn what the government takes from others and gives to them.
Communism shuns private/individual ownership of land or any vital resources. Instead, all the 'means of production' like land and other resources should be owned by the state.
Capitalism believes in private ownership of land and means of production. Every man relies on himself to earn his worth and is thereby not a drag on society.
Please explain the differences in Communism and Socialism and how they are completely different i.e. not closely related.
Socialism does not allow a person to achieve all they can because they are taxed to provide what others no longer have to provide for themselves. They do not have to as they have the government to take from others and give to them. It is a selfish ideal to have the government take wealth earned by others and give it to those that did not earn it. You probably believe that healthcare should be provided by the government. What about housing and food? Those are much more important than healthcare. Should those items be provided equally to all citizens of the world?
Perhaps it is you that do not understand what the dangers of Socialism are. The enslavement and ever increasing dependency on the government is the inevitable result of Socialism. There are reasons that so many people of the world flock to the United States or as you state, "the most unfair society in the Western World", and these reasons are Liberty and Freedom. Socialism only increases dependency. In Socialism, the government gives you what they believe you need, not necessarily what you actually need or want. If you give the government control of your life, you lose your Liberty and Freedom. We understand exactly what Karl Marx and his philosophy is. We clearly have him quoted.
"The socialist society of universal abundance will be regulated by a different standard. It will inscribe on its banners. FROM each according to his ability, TO each according to his needs."
-- Karl Marx
What he states in his philosophy is that those that can produce should be forced to pay for those that do not produce and need what he works to earn. Your efforts of your hard work is taxed and given to others that did not earn it - so much for keeping the fruits of your labor. There is no incentive to work hard or achieve more than your assigned quota.
We have more quotes from those with Marxist views if you care to read them. "Quotes From The Marxist World".
Socialism causes people to feel entitled to wealth produced by others. This is a drain on resources. Socialism is nothing but a scam where those that produce are forced to provide for those that DO NOT and WILL NOT produce what they need for life.
Whatever happened to being strong, free, and independent? You do not get that with Socialism. All you get with Socialism is an increased level of dependency. These are not the values on which American was founded. While it is nice to depend on others when you need to, it is better to be self-reliant and independent. This is known as Freedom and Liberty.
Many of the reasons that other countries can burden their citizens with the gift of Socialism are because most of the Western Cultures have America to protect them with the American Military. If Canada or England or France or Kuwait or any number of other countries is attacked, America is going to be the first country to send immediate military assistance as history has proven time and time again. These countries do not need anything more than a determined police force because America will be there to give them whatever military assistance they need.
I saw a billboard advert in London last week, it said that the average daily wage for a person in Afghanistan was $2.00 a day, and the average wage for a member of the Taliban was $15.00 a day, well then it all began to make a whole lot of sense, since this is a very impoverished country. You people disgust me, liberal democracy is the best political system in contemporary politics, and socialism is merely thinking about the welfare of your citizens, not about lining your own greedy pockets.
Assuming that everything you read on a billboard is true, are you upset that the average daily wage for an Afghan is so low or because the average wage for the Taliban member is so high by comparison? It is funny how we disgust you, but it is people like us that are the producers and have the fruits of our labor taken from us and given to people that feel what we earned belongs to everyone. Do you ever say 'thank you' or show any gratitude to those that give you what you want or do you just feel entitled to the hard work of others?
My school mate the comment that this seems to have been written by supporters of George W. Bush, she has a point it seems so.
I don't expect a response, I am writing this because as a political science major, your comments in regards to Marx insult my intelligence, and the whole bias portrayed here is very disturbing.
Natalia Arias Perez
If you believe that we hold a Conservative view, you would be correct. We have an editorial "The Meaning Of Marxism" that you should read. We would love to hear what you have to say about our commentary to the article.
Why did you not expect a response from us? Did you think we would not have the courage to reply to you in an intelligent fashion? Did you think we could not define what we believe? Did you think we could not make an argument against Socialism?
You may tell your schoolmate that he or she may use this website as a source for whatever purpose they like whether they agree with us or not.
Natalia Arias Perez wrote:
wow you really wasted alot of time trying to debunk me, I didn't even bother reading it all.
All we did was to address your e-mail courteously, intelligently, and honestly. It is interesting that you did not bother reading our response. We never considered responding to your e-mail was a waste of time. You took the time to write us and we showed you the consideration to read your entire e-mail and respond with an intelligent and well thought out reply. This seems to indicate that you are a close minded individual that seems to think that any thought that is contrary to your own is a not worthy of reading.
We hold certain value in our beliefs, ideals, and thoughts and sharing them are not considered a waste of time. It is strange that you believe sharing your closely held beliefs is a not worthy of a few minutes of your time. If you really believed in what you say and hold dear, you would not hesitate in making the best argument you could to support your beliefs. However, by your own statement, you could not be bothered; after all, you know the true value of what you believe.
It is not that we tried to debunk you; it is that we addressed your argument on each point and we did debunk you.
My 2 cents are very simple.
1 . you are immensly disturbing, maybe my argument had holes, but thats mostly because I don't care enough to write it better (I do have a life you know, and am have never been seriously bothered by what a bunch of loser americans thought or wrote, I moved to europe for that reason)
What you find disturbing is that our argument flies in the face of your ideals and you have no intelligent argument to counter the facts. Your argument did have holes in it. We proved that with our reply that you refused to read or failed, for whatever reason, to understand. Your apathy is apparent in the admission that you do not care about your own ideas enough to take the time to present them in an intelligent manner. It is probably not that you do not care to write it better, but rather that you cannot make a better argument for your ideals that you hold so dear.
2. Listen I am a child of communism, but I was brought up in a Capitalist socialist society, I have more first hand experience of both systems than you do. And I don't believe creating websites that spread hate is an intelligent pursuit for any right thinking adult.
So... you are a child of Communism... No kidding!!! (Note sarcastic tone)... Whoever would have imagined that? If you want to live as a Socialist, by all means, go ahead, but why do you feel the need to force others to lower their standard of living and accept a Socialist lifestyle.
We have not spread hate, we have written the truth. It is ironic that you consider yourself to be a "right thinking adult" as you openly decide to allow others to provide for you as indicated by your decision to embrace Socialism.
I enjoy healthcare benefits, a relatively low cost yet high quality education, a government that cares about me and not exclusively its bottom line, and at the end of the day I am immensly happy. So cut the crap, I honestly dont care, it took me this long to respond simply because I didn't check that email, thats how little I care. Enjoy fear mongering to your ignorant populace, the Americans I know living in London would be horrified by you.
Let just clear this up, you enjoy healthcare benefits provided by others. The quality of your education is apparent from your inability to even care about your ideas as indicated by your comment, "I don't care enough to write it better." That is well stated. You do not even care what you think as you make an apathetic attempt to share your thoughts with us.
You should be grateful there are people that produce more than they require so they can have the fruits of their labor taken from them and given to you because you think you deserve what they worked to earn. Do you ever thank them for that extra productivity you take from them to cover your lack of initiative or do you just believe you are entitled out of some belief that others should not have more than you even though they worked hard to earn it? It is lucky for you they accept this burden to provide for you because it is clear that if left to your own accord, you would have a hard time providing for yourself with that attitude. Ah, yes... it is clear that Communist ideals have made you a well-rounded individual capable of independent thought.
Natalia Arias Perez wrote:
Alright hang on, I guess you want some intelligence from me.
What a novel idea. You wrote us and apparently now you have decided to offer some intelligence. Why would you think we did not want an intelligent reply from you?
It is a completely wrong assumption to say that I embrace communism, I am very familiar with the goods and bads of it, and in the case of my parents countries the bads outweighed the goods. However I definetely do embrace socialism, which is NOT communism.
So as we are not accused of putting words in your mouth, explain what you see as the difference between Socialism and Communism. Please, do not copy and paste a reply, but rather give us your actual opinion as we would love to hear what you have to say.
If you embrace Socialism, you embrace the idea that others should provide for you. This is dependency not independence. It is not the government that is providing for you, it is your citizens that have their money taken from them by the government and handed to you. Do you ever show your fellow citizens that have the ability to take care of you any level of gratitude or appreciation or do you just feel entitled to have the government take from them and give it to you?
I grew up in Canada, where socialism reigns and currently I live in the U.K., unlike my American cousins (and I have many) my life has not been distroyed by the pursuit of the almighty dollar, and my governments inability to give a damn for me. I have always believed in free market capitalism, but I have also always asserted that a country worthy of my respect would take care of its people. Universal healthcare for me is non negotiable, I will not live in a country that doesn't offer it, I can only hope your president can push through a decent health reform bill next time.
If Universal Healthcare i.e. Socialized Medicine is so good, why are there so many more people coming to the United States to live rather than US citizens leaving in flocks to go to foreign countries for healthcare. Do you realize that any American can have free healthcare by going to Canada. If any American citizen wants Socialized Healthcare, all they need to do is to legally cross the Canadian border and declare Political Asylum. By doing this, they do not give up their American citizenship, but they have instant access to the entire Canadian healthcare system at no charge.
I am or I can say was a great supporter of Obama since 2005 when I picked up his books and was genuinely moved by what he said, I am also an active campaigning member of Canada's liberal party.
This does not surprise anyone. The entire Redistribution of Wealth concept i.e. taking from those that produce and giving to those that feel entitled to the labor of others is exactly how you described yourself. It is not that the Government cares for you; it is that the Government controls you.
So I really don't appreciate being called close minded, since I believe that liberal democracy tempered with socialism and free market capitalism, can create the most happiness for the many at the least expense of the few.
You are the one that stated you did not bother reading our response. You only cared about what you had to say then ignored and refused to read our reply. That is the perfect example of being close-minded. You do not have to like it, but it is an accurate assessment. We, on the other hand, have addressed and explained in detail every point you made.
It is too bad you do not really understand the concepts of Freedom and Liberty. At least you admit that you are willing to take from others and give to those that do not earn it thereby creating and increasing a population that is and will always be dependent. That is what Socialism is and that is not Freedom or Liberty. It is total dependency on government.
Whatever happened to hard work and living a Free and Independent life? Under Socialism, all you get is dependency on Government and high taxes. But that seems to be what you consider an acceptable lifestyle.
On the subject of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism my opinions are far from politically correct or even nice. I tend to agree with Geert Wilders opinions, and really have 0 patience for that religion or its adherents, and I'm not saying this ignorantly I grew up in a community with a very large muslim population, I know very well what their culture is, and for personal reasons I have no patience for it. However on that subject I will be willing to take abuse for my views, for I know very well that they are biased and negative.
You had better get used to Islam control, because in 30 years, most of Europe will be under Islamic control. When that happens, what country will you flee to then?
But on the subject of Communism, I know you are wrong, how can you be right when you never experienced communism, and when you can make such a tragic error as confusing socialism and communism and calling them both evil.
We did not know you were an expert on what we have experienced in our lives. Please... elaborate more on what we have experienced.
History has shown that Communism, Socialism, and Marxism are all forms of government that enslave the people and make them totally dependent on the government for many, if not all, aspects of life. They have nothing to do with Freedom and Liberty and unfair and evil by nature. As far as your comment that we have never experienced Communism, none of us here have experienced diphtheria either, but we are all sure we do not want to. We do not want to live under a Communist or Socialist regime. If we did, there are plenty of countries we could live our lives, but instead, we like living as free and independent individuals, free to provide for ourselves and free to make the decisions that control our lives. It could be that you do not understand what we mean when we speak of Freedom, so allow us to give you the definition.
If you know we are wrong about Socialism and Communism, please explain your view and where we are incorrect. The exchange of ideas is the reason for these e-mails, but based on your reply, you just do not seem to want to put any effort into making an intelligent argument.
We know exactly what Communism is and the dangers. We have seen the many people that have risked their lives to escape Communist regimes for the lure of Freedom offered here in America. How many people are flocking to Communist countries compared to how many people wish to leave these same countries with only what they can carry, but are not allowed to do so because the Government will not let them?
Socialism is there to help others, without it we are left with a system of greed, corruption and every one fends for themselves. And if you send me a message back saying that everyone should fend for themselves and not give a crap about their neighbours, I may begin to think that this website espouses social darwinism as well.
Socialism increases dependency and control of the population. That is what it does by design. What country gives more to the world than the United States? The United States is the most generous country on the planet and is always the first to help the world. It is in our nature as a people, so please do not insult our intelligence by saying that we do not help our neighbors. We are the first to come to the aid of people all over the world. We are always looking out for our neighbors, but why should I feed my neighbor when they are capable and in a position to feed themselves?
At any rate you are allowed you opinions in the matter of free speech, its just a tragedy that their so hatefilled and negative.
What did we say that was hateful and negative? You are the only one that has stated that your views are negative and biased and you did so in this very e-mail. We did not make this statement… you did.
But don't go accusing me of ignorance or stupidity or close mindedness, I may not waste time opening up to you, but at the end of the day I attend a U.K. university on full scholarships, have lived in many places and am fluently trilingual.
You make the claim that you are educated at the university level. Let us examine your quote.
"…maybe my argument had holes, but thats mostly because I don't care enough to write it better (I do have a life you know, and am have never been seriously bothered by what a bunch of loser americans thought or wrote, I moved to europe for that reason)."
What institution of higher learning did you attend that would prepare you make this statement? Your professors must be so proud.
The misspellings, grammatical errors, and the inability to care enough write an intelligent argument in an e-mail you wrote us to show us how we are so wrong on so much about Socialism and its finer points speaks volumes at the quality of this education.
If you do write back, do not go accusing me of supporting communism again, but respect my views for what they are.
It is interesting how you demand respect for your views, but you are not willing to offer that same consideration to others. We have given you respected for your views. In fact, we have printed them for all to see. We have addressed each and every point in your correspondence to us. The same cannot be said for you, not that we expect you to, it is just that you are so quick to demand respect from everyone else yet unwilling to show that same respect to those of whom you demand it. You did not even show us the courtesy of reading our reply to your first e-mail before you wrote us your reply. This is the perfect example of the Liberal characteristic of a closed mind completely intolerant of other views.
kordell smith wrote:
This website is hypocritical, like Americans you guys just portray all the negativities in Islamic world, yet you do not compare other violence in other religions, nor do you compare and contrast the Bad of Islam with the Good of Islam, not all 1.5 billion muslims are terrorist this website is biased and ignorant of truth, as this American propaganda like all does not compare and contrast it only displays the Terrorist in Islam, and do not show the actual casual Muslim populations, like those in African countries. This website is hocus pocus, and a damn shame to intelligence.
It seems you did not read the website at all or at least all you did was to read what you wanted to read. We have clearly stated that the violence is a direct result of Radicals in Islam. You must have failed to read that part. We also stated that Islam as a religion is led by these Radicals.
We have shown the truth of 15,000+ examples of Islamic acts of terrorism. So far, you have not mentioned a single example of terrorism against Islam, and please, do not cite an example of self-defense against Muslim terrorists as an example of terrorism against Islam.
Where do you dispute a single fact on this website? Tell us specifically where we are wrong. Go ahead, cite the example.
As far as the Black Muslims in Africa, it is the Arab Muslims that are killing them, not the Christian Missionaries, Jewish settlers, or any other group of non-Islamic believers.
This website is nothing but a record of the truth. You do not have to like it, but so far, you have not disputed a single fact contained within the 150+ pages of this website.
We have cited the bad of Islam. Perhaps you can cite examples of the good of Islam, because so far, we have seen little of it. Where is it that Islam has shown tolerance of other religions compared to the tens of thousands of examples to the contrary?
Hot Male wrote:
the effort that you done, and created a website totally against ISLAM, i would like to know what is your religion ? and is this your religion who allow you to use this kind of language for the religion of peace ISLAM, if you are christen then you can't be a christen without accepting ISLAM, simply i want to say please close this site otherwise you will burn in hell forever, if you have any question about ISLAM then please read Quran once , you will know the reality , if you have any question please send me your question i will answer you but you have no right to miss guide people by creating these kind of useless sites ,
you can download Holy QURAN here in 34 languages ,
please must reply me,
Thank You .
We have only reported the actions of Muslims and the tone that Islam shares with the rest of the world. We understand the desire for Islam to control and dominate all other religions and all people. A Christian can be a Christian without accepting Islam.
You refer to this website as useless. What information on this website do you dispute? Like so many others, you complain about the existence of this website, yet you do not dispute a single fact within the pages. We have quoted the Koran. We know what it says and how the Koran and Islam are practiced throughout the world. We know of the dangers that Islam is on other religions and people. We know the truth and you are only upset that we had the courage and education to write about it.
You say we will burn in hell forever... Well, to take your word for it does not scare us as much as having our throats cut by a Muslim in the name of Islam, the Religion of Peace because we do not believe as you do. That is a real possibility. Having an opinion about Islam based on the actions of Muslims is not going to cause anyone to burn in hell.
Freedom and Democracy has no place in Islam. Islam does not teach love, it only teaches total submission and hate of non-believers. We have seen the terror resulting from the Islamic way of life and non-Muslims want nothing to do with Islam.
Islam is led by Radicals that hate non-Muslims also known as "Infidels" and to these Radicals, infidels are not worthy of living. This can hardly be associated with a religion of Peace. Explain why Christianity is not a Religion of Peace. There are Christian Missionaries around the world that bring medical care and education to people that would otherwise not be able to receive such attention. Where does Islam do this without force or threat of death?
Jo Neace Krause wrote:
If another person points out a murderer to me, I dont stop and consider if that person is a Catholic or Athiest or Born Again Christian... I simply want to see the murderer arrested so he will not get away with shedding more blood.
We share the same view. It matters not what the murderer believes or values.
I happen to think we could all stop terrorism if we stopped what we have been doing to the Arabs for sixty years to please the Jewish political faction that has paid off our government and now points to the Arabs who resist us.....as terrorists to be killed.
Muslims have been killing Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims for the last 1400 years. Why do you blame the Jews for the Muslim attacks and terrorist campaigns against non-Muslims? Muslims out number Jews about 100 to 1. There is nothing that Jews can do to Muslims except defend themselves from Muslim attacks. The problem is that every Arab/Muslim country has used the Palestinians as pawns against Israel. They are not interested in helping Palestinian Arabs with anything. They are just useful as a political weapon against Israel.
We are sure that they appreciate what appears to be a pro-Arab, anti-Semitic view.
We happen to think that we could stop terrorism is Muslims stood against it. We happen to believe that if Peace and Love were cornerstones of Islam, the number of Islamic terrorist attacks would be 99% lower than it is today, but such is not the case and for reasons that are so clear. Islam is against Freedom and Democracy and is full of hatred toward non-Muslims, especially Jews. We know this because we know the historical facts and we understand what Islam really is.
Arabs and others have resisted the West for a long time. That did not make them terrorists. You do not become a terrorist without the overt act of terrorism. Based on their history of terrorist actions, not only is there something about Islam as a religion does not cause them to reconsider the terrorists acts committed in the name of Islam, the teachings of Islam actually seem to encourage these terrorist acts.
I have no love for the Arab world but I think what we are doing to them is WRONG.
If you are going to make that statement, apparently you do have some love for the Arab world... either that or you hate Western cultures more.
What exactly are we doing to them? We buy oil from them to the tune of trillions of dollars of income to them. They do not have to work for it, they only have to let us drill a hole in the ground and give them money for what comes out of the ground. We send American troops to help them when another country invades their country. We send help when famine ravages their country. We give foreign aid to help their country even though we know the leaders are going to take the lion's share and hide the acquired riches in their Swiss Bank accounts.
Muslims justify their terrorist actions and killing with the teachings of Islam. It is too bad that Islam does not teach Peace and Love as a primary mandate over killing non-Muslims. The world would be better off if they did, but that is not the current situation that we find ourselves in this day and age.
You do not see Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and other religions committing acts of terrorism like you do in Islam. Why is that? Could it be some major aspect of Islam stating Islam is superior to all other religions? Could it be that Islam must be accepted by the entire world as the final word of God and anyone that does not accept and live under the teachings of Islam is not worthy of living? Could it be that Islam sees other religions as an insult to God, Islam, and to Muslims alike? The reason that we stated it like that is because that is what the leaders of Islam teach Muslims. Islam is run by radicals and hatred toward other religions is the reality.
Jo Neace Krause wrote:
I dont see Muslims invading anyone's territory at present like we are doing. In fact, havent we always been the invaders in the MIddle East? I blame the Jews for setting up a "homeland" in the middle of someone's country, and then calling them terrorists for objecting. Why are we at war over this? We want what they have. We want their oil, and the Jews want the land. WE ARE THEIVES AND MURDERS.
You do not see Muslims invading anyone's country. Where have you been? This entire e-mail reeks of not remembering or understanding history. Everything that is taking place in Iraq now is a direct result of Iraq invading Kuwait. Remember that small incident. It was reported in all the newspapers and TV networks around the world. The reason we went back into Iraq was because Saddam Hussein violated the Ceasefire Agreement that ended Gulf War I in 1991.
Perhaps this would be a good time to bring up why Iraq invaded Kuwait. They wanted to take control of the Kuwaiti oil fields. Keep in mind that when we pushed the Iraqi army out of Kuwait, we did not keep the oil fields for our own as we could have easily done, we actually left Kuwait. We did not stick around and try to keep any of the oil.
Would you please explain what you mean when you say that we have always been invaders of the Middle East? Prior to attacking Iraq after their deliberate violation of the 1991 Ceasefire Agreement, which we have already addressed, we attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan after the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Prior to that, we did send a few advisors into Afghanistan to assist their fight against the Russians, and before that we did send a couple of dozen of troops in an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran in 1980. Before that, we had Allied troops in North Africa during World War II.
So you "blame the Jews for setting up a homeland in the middle of someone's country." Really... What country was that? Do you not know anything about the history of the Middle East? Jews have been in what is now Israel for the last 4000 years. While this might be news to you, allow us to explain in a bit more detail. Islam and therefore Muslims have only been around for the last 1400 years so you cannot say that they were there first. Rome took control of the area in the year 70. The Ottoman Empire maintained control of the land until 1917 when the British took control of the Palestinian Mandate until 1948. In 1948, United Nations Resolution 181 partitioned the territory from the British Mandate for Palestine into two states - one for Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. After the 1948 War, Israel's War of Independence, Jordan absorbed excess land meant for the Palestinians Arabs. If Syria, Jordan, and Egypt had not attacked Israel, there would be a country of Palestine.
At the end of the 1948 war, the Arab allotted land was divided between Israel, Egypt (Gaza), and Jordan. The Egyptians refused to let the Gazans become independent or Egyptian citizens. Eventually, the Jordanians did allow some refugees become citizens, but not all. The Arab states are content to let their brother Arabs remain in those refugee camps that are really crowded and squalid towns and live like that since the UN supported them. Because of this, they make a great political tool used to invoke sympathy, especially in regard to the European countries.
If you take an honest look at the situation, Israel does not want Arab lands, but Arabs want to kill every Jew and take their land. Every time Israel has been attacked, it has been with the intent of destroying Israel, eliminating the Jews, and taking their land. It is not Israel that is trying to take Arab land, but the other way around. It was never Israel that took land meant for Palestinian Arabs, but other Arab countries. Take a good look at the map on the right to see the "Vast Israeli Empire". Israel always has to give up land for "Peace", but the attacks from Muslims keep coming. When have Arab Countries ever been asked to give up land for peace? When have Arabs ever been asked to give up anything for "Peace"? The fact is, Muslims do not want Peace... they only want no Jews. It is funny how Israel gave full citizenship to all Arabs after the 1948, but no Arab countries bothered to offer their brothers the same consideration.
In an attempt to explain the truth, allow us to direct you to the editorial "The Truth About the Palestinian People". Hopefully, this will help you understand the truth rather than whatever anti-Israel propaganda you choose to believe, because it is evident that is where you are getting much of your information.
YOU SEE: war is lucrative, and many good American men are without jobs, and war gives them a way out of this depression created deliberately to make an easy army available. Who is responsible for this economic disaster in USA? Same people who brought down Russia. Dont you understand anything?
Who is responsible for the economic disaster in America? The politicians that decide that taking away wealth from those that are productive and giving it to those that did not earn it. The politicians that decide that embracing socialist doctrine is what made America great. Did you take note that in the two days after Barrack Hussein Obama was elected the stock market dropped 2000 points? This was not a coincidence. The producers of this country knew what he was going to do and they did what they had to do to protect what they had earned. Since Obama was elected, he has taken control of GMC and Chrysler and both are in such financial trouble. Over a trillion dollars of new expenditures have been authorized thereby putting America in such debt it could cause economic collapse.
We would ask you if you understand what you are talking about, but it is clear you have no idea of the historical facts.
Jo Neace Krause wrote:
Firs off. Kuwait was part of Iraq until it was severed (i.e. robbed) from them for the oil. As I said, we want the oil, the Jews want an enemy defeated. Iraq was invaded not because they had weapons of mass destruction but because they were assisting their brothers the Palestinians and this had the Jews in the USA angry, of course. Iraq did not invade the foreign land of Kuwait. They were only taking back what was their own. The reason we went into Iraq was to kill them. Kill their children. Hang their leader, and pretend it was all for the good of mankind.
Kuwait belonged to Iraq, the west severed it from them. They were only reclaiming what was their own.
Kuwait is a sovereign nation and has been recognized as such by every sovereign country on the planet since 19 June 1961 when it acquired its Independence from Britain. In 1963, Iraq reaffirmed its acceptance of Kuwaiti sovereignty and the boundary it agreed to in 1913 and 1932, so any claim that Kuwait belonged to Iraq is nonsense. On 3 October 1932 from the League of Nations mandate under British administration, Iraq became an independent and sovereign nation, but by your logic, Britain had every right to attack and invade Iraq because Iraq used to belong to them, which of course is nonsense.
Allow us to address your oil argument. We, America and the Western World, did not take the Kuwaiti oil. We prevented Iraq from doing so. Kuwait still has their oil fields. If Saddam Hussein had abided by the 1990 Ceasefire Agreement, there would have been on reason to go back to Iraq and he and his sons would still be in power, free to torture his people as he liked with no outside interference.
Did you forget the 14 months of debate in Congress about Iraqi's violation of the Ceasefire Agreement? Did you forget the UN Weapons Inspectors that were thrown out of Iraq? Did you forget the use of sarin nerve gas on the Kurds? Or did you just ignore these facts? It is hard to understand how a person with any level of intelligence can make the assertion that the reason we went back into Iraq was to kill Iraqi citizens and kill Iraqi children, but that is what you stated. If this is what you want to believe, there is no chance you are going to accept the truth.
You are free to believe that Iraq and the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein in power. Most Iraqis, with the exception of the members of the Bath Party, do not agree with this picture. The thousands of citizens that were gassed with sarin nerve gas would certainly disagree with you, but it does not really matter as his people hung him for his crimes.
Oh, is that why Joe Liberman spread the news that Iraqi soldiers were tossing babies out the windows of Kuwaiti hospitals....I suppose old Joe loves babies, which is why he loves what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians kids....shooting them in the thighs, using audio weapons to break their ear drums, and destroy the roots of their teeth......and keeping them in jails away from their parents and the Red Cross. It's a concentration camp over there, say no more about it.
What are you talking about here? Was this addressed anywhere? If Israel is a concentration camp as you state, why do the Palestinians stay? No one is keeping them there. The question becomes what Arab country will take them. None of the Arab countries want their Muslim brothers. If you think about it, that would solve much of the problems. The Palestinians could have had a country anytime in the last 70 years, but they choose war against the Jews.
When Israeli soldiers are attacked, they have the right to defend themselves. Would you be happy if the attackers were killed? Would you rather the Israelis not use non-lethal weapons that did not kill as opposed to the sonic weapons that do not kill? You make it sound like Israeli soldiers are randomly killing for no reason at all... you know... like terrorists. That seems to be the way you want to view them... as terrorists.
Sure, ever hear of the Crusades? Read up on what these fanatics did to the people living there. You might understand why the women are kept in seclusion,and why the women's dress reflect what Napoleon's soldiers did to them when the French invaded in the l9th century.
We have heard of the Crusades. During the Crusades, the Crusaders captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187. In that year, the Muslim ruler Saladin conquered Jerusalem. Under Muslim rule, the Jewish population was treated as badly as when the Crusaders were in power.
Yes, I do blame the Jews for this. And I think they will eventually lose because they are on the wrong side of justice here. If we continue to support their concentration camps and their racial policies, our love of Israel will make us less than American....it will make us, and the Jews nazis of the first order.
You blame the Jews for Muslim attacks on the Jews. You blame the victim. That makes sense. It was not Israel that attacked the Arabs in 1948, 1956, 1967, or 1973. It was the Muslims that attacked Israel. The Israelis have always had to defend themselves from Muslim aggression, at least for the last 1400 years.
Israel does not have any concentration camps. Israel is only trying to exist and the 1.6 billion Muslims want their total destruction and death.
The country of Palestine, that's what country. The people from which country has stood up to our planes and bulldozers and big money for sixty years. The cause of 911 if you will.
There is no country of Palestine, but if you want to believe that Jews stole Israel from the Palestinians, go ahead and ignore history. If you want to ignore the UN Resolution 181 where land was divided between Jews and Arabs, go ahead. If you want to ignore the fact that Jordan and Egypt took Arab land meant for Palestinian Arabs, feel free.
If you think there was a country of Palestine, you should be able to answer these questions.
When was it founded and by whom?
What were its borders?
What was its capital?
Who was the President?
What was its form of government?
What were its major cities?
What constituted the basis of its economy?
Who was the Palestinian leader before Yasser Arafat?
Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
What was the language of the country of Palestine?
What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
What was the name of its currency and what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, or Japanese yen on any particular date?
And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
History has many turnings, slow turnings, fast sharp turns. I cannot pretend to defend or deny history, I can only judge what is happening within my own time......and I say we are wrong to keep killing Muslims who are fighting for their freedom against the colonial powers who have oppressed them for centuries.
You have been denying history in all of your e-mails. If you wish to lend your support to the Muslims who want to kill Jews as fast as they can, who were dancing in the streets upon hearing of the news of the 9-11 attacks, and who supported Iraq in the invasion of Kuwait, that is fine. But please do not insult our intelligence by making up lies about Concentrations Camps in Israel or American troops invading Iraq to kill as many civilians as possible.
Jews might have been in Israel for the last 4000 years but they have not had a Jewish state. They have been in the USA for 400 years but does that mean they should have a United Jewish States of America.
They did have a country in 1948 with UN Resolutions 181. Palestinian Arabs did also, but Jordan and Egypt took that land for themselves. Just look at the map on the right. That was the land to be a homeland for Jews and Arabs. We know in your mind you believe there is a United Jewish States of America, but it is only in your anti-Semitic conspiracy oriented mind.
The British and other land thieves had no right to partition Palestine. Palestine was for the Palestinians. Jewish Palestinians , Arab Palestinians. . The British and their evil Balfore agreement was set up the Zionists in USA to bring the USA into the war against Germany and force upon Germany the destructive Versailes Treaty...which the British Secretary of the Tresury then, Maynard Keynes, (Jewish )walked out because he knew it meant trouble. Which it did, of course. Gave rise to Hitler and the Holocaust.
The British had control of the land. They could do whatever they wanted with it. They had every right to partition the land. So could the Ottoman Empire that had it before the British. The British partitioned the land giving the Arabs a much larger portion of the land. The fact is that there was land partitioned for Palestinian Arabs knowing the hatred of the Jews by the Muslims. Arabs could have had their country in 1948, but instead they hated the fact the Jews were getting a small piece for their own so they tried to take it away and look what happened. Israel gave full citizenship to all Arabs within the borders. When 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab countries, Israel accepted them with open arms and citizenship. What Arab country did that for the Arabs? Except for a few Arabs that Jordan accepted, they were rejected by their Arab brethren.
So the Holocaust was the fault of the Jews. If that is what you want to believe. Why do you just say what you mean...? The Jews are wrong for wanting Israel and the Arabs are right for trying to take Israel from the Jews and making it an Arab country where there are no Jews. That sounds much like the Nazi Germany plan.
How nice if the countries of the Middle East would do what the Jewish bought USA dictated. As to Arab anger I feel it is justified. We have no business there. The maps you have up are showing how small Israel is, should tell you more than it tells me.
That is obvious. You do not want to see the truth. You seem to want to see a Jewish conspiracy where there is none. It is easy to tell that you see any Muslim aggression justified and any attempt to defend against as some unjustified attack. Let us take a look at a statement in your first e-mail.
"I have no love for the Arab world..."
It would seem that your statement in your first e-mail is somewhat disingenuous because it is clear you do.
I have no interest in a Jewish Homeland .
That is so very clear.
I look at what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians and I conclude : If they can do this to the Palestinians, they would do it to me. They have drained this nation for Israel.
Do you have any idea of the history of the Palestinians? They have been responsible for tens of thousands of acts of terrorism in Israel, but to you, these acts are justified. They have sworn death to Israel at every chance they get, but according to you, they are justified. They do not want peace; they wish and pray for the death of the Jews.
And it is about time we said something about it. It is obvious in the interest of the Jewish political factions to keep the Americans unemployed. This makes for a good pool of men for the wars they want to continue against the Arab world.
That is quite the conspiracy theory you have conjured up in your mind. It is the Muslims that are at war with America. You can deny this all you want, but we have documented the facts on this website where we have Muslims screaming "Death to America".
With America in hand, they can kill they all, and leave the USA holding the bag. It is not too far fetched to one day hear the Jewish media telling the Arabs, "Look what the American military has done to you. Join us in wiping out them out." Think that sounds paranoid? How can you explain the influx of muslims into the USA at the behest of Jewish organizations? Better look behind you, doc.
Actually, that is pretty farfetched, and "Yes" we do think that sounds very, very paranoid. But, if what you say is true about Jewish control of America, why is there any influx of Muslims into the USA at all?
OK. Vote for Ron Paul.
History lies. Men die.
It is clear you do not know your history and you seem unable to comprehend reality instead preferring to accept conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic propaganda.
Jo Neace Krause wrote:
ACTUALLY, MAN, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE UNJUST TREATYS YOU WANT TO, LIKE THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES, WHICH NO ONE WOULD , COULD , OR SHOULD RESPECT......AND THEN GO TO WAR WHEN THEY FAIL, SCREAMING....OH, LOOK HOW THEY HAVE BROKEN THE TREATY.
It seems you are discussing the 1990 Gulf War Ceasefire. Saddam Hussein violated the agreement he signed. It was a fair and just agreement. We would leave him in power and he would stop all aggression against his Arab neighbors and end his WMD weapons programs. All he had to do was to let the UN Weapons Inspectors determine there were no WMDs as he stated to the world and he would still be in power. All he had to do was to play nice and we would not have a problem. But he did not do that. If we did not enforce the Ceasefire Agreement, any other future Ceasefire Agreements with any other country would be meaningless. Is that what you want? That was one of the problems with the Treaty of Versailles. The other was it did not allow Germany the opportunity to grow economically, which was a mistake and many said so. That mistake was not made with Saddam Hussein and Iraq. The violations of the Ceasefire Agreement were blatant and could not be ignored.
WHY DONT YOU JUST COME ON OUT AND SAY WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE??????? ::::::::::WE NEED WHAT THEY HAVE. WE WILL TAKE IT. DONT TRY TO MAKE UP MORAL EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE SHOULD TAKE WHAT WE WANT FROM THE ARABS. THE ARABS DONT MATTER. ONLY JEWS MATTER. SAY IT, YOU'LL FEEL CLEANER.
When you ask that question, it seems you have no idea what we believe. Allow us to enlighten you. We believe in Freedom, Liberty, and Democracy. We believe in a people having a freely elected government. We gave this to the Iraqi people for the first time in the last 10,000 years. Remember the ink stained fingers proving they had voted? In what must be a total surprise to you, we are not shooting innocent Iraqi civilians just to kill them. We are after the terrorists that are killing Iraqi civilians.
We like the statement in your e-mail.
"WE NEED WHAT THEY HAVE. WE WILL TAKE IT."
-- Jo Neace Krause
That is exactly the view the Arabs have for Israel. That is the goal of the Arab countries since 1948. We could not have stated it better ourselves. That is the difference... and a major difference it is. You are more than welcome to try and dispute this fact. America and Israel are not trying to take anything from the Arabs, but the same cannot be said for the Arabs. They would move into Israel this afternoon if they thought they could win and Israel knows this. That is why they are ever vigilant with security of their nation much to the irritation of people that simply do not care about Israel's right to exist.
Why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan? We are there to fight for our country, support our allies, and to remove roving bands of terrorists groups like al-Qaeda from killing and controlling entire populations. Removing these Radical Islamic groups gives everyone the opportunity and freedom to travel anywhere in the world without fear of being killed by terrorists. We are not trying to take anything from the Arabs. We are not there to kill Iraqi civilians as you stated. If you truly believe that we went back to Iraq for that purpose, you are severely misled and have absolutely no respect for the Marines and Soldiers the proudly serve America.
We are not interested in taking the oil fields from the Iraqis. If we were, we would have done so. We certainly have the ability to do so. The fact we are over in Iraq and Afghanistan the way we are is proof we care about the Arabs and Peace in the region. These people do matter as can be proven by the fact we are shedding our blood as we have done in Europe in World War I and World War II. The Jews in Israel have been the target of Muslim aggression and terrorism for the last 60+ years. Israel is not looking to expand their land holdings. The same cannot be said for the Muslims that are trying to kill them with missile attacks and suicide bombings.
Allow us to throw back what you felt was an important observation. Just say what you really believe. Do not try to makeup moral excuses as to why we should take what we want from the Jews. The Jews do not matter. Only Arabs matter. Say it; you will feel cleaner... oh wait... you already did.
We know this flies in the face of everything you believe, but that is what you are saying.
Jo Neace Krause wrote:
WE SHOULD LEAVE THE SADDAM HUSSEINS ALONE. WE DID THAT SORDID HANGING FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ALONE, HE WAS SUPPORTING HIS BROTHERS IN PALESTINE AGAINST THE JEWISH TAKE OVER OF THEIR LAND. OUR LOVE FOR ISRAEL WILL MAKE US INTO NAZIS.......VIVA LA CODE PINK!!!!!!
Are we supposed to ignore the Saddam Husseins of the world when they invade a foreign country? Is that your idea? That is what Hussein thought the world would do when they invaded Kuwait. The Kuwaitis are certainly we did not ignore his actions. Where do you draw the line when a totalitarian regime invades another country? When do you draw a line in the sand? Or do you just ignore it and hope it does not affect you? These are rhetorical questions. There is no need to attempt to answer them. We already know your answers.
As we stated earlier, Saddam Hussein was in full control of his destiny. He knew what he had to do to stay in power and he decided not to do so. That was a mistake on his part. Allow us to correct you on yet another point. We did not hang Saddam Hussein. The people of Iraq tried him where he was found guilty and then he was sentenced to death. Before you decide to argue that America was in control, the Iraqis were more interested in executing him for the many years of abuse sustained at the hands of Saddam Hussein, his sons, and the rest of the Bath Party with their Nazi doctrine. But, by your own words, this is what you support.
Responding to your theory that we should leave the Saddam Husseins of the world alone is that they do not share that same ideal. They have no problem attacking and invading your country because they want what you have and they do not care what the rules are. Kuwait comes to mind. The use of sarin nerve gas on the Kurds and on Iranians is two other examples.
He was absolutely supporting his Palestinian brothers in Israel. He supported and financed terrorist attacks in Israel and apparently you support that strategy. If he was so concerned with the Palestinians and the Peace process, he would have given them sanctuary in Iraq. He would have received the Nobel Peace Prize for that. Iraq has plenty of land and Iraq was rich enough to assimilate them into the Iraqi population. He would have gotten world respect. He would have gone down in history as one of the greatest Islamic leaders in Middle East history. Just think how that would have brought peace to the region. But he did not choose that destiny for himself or for Iraq.
You just cannot comprehend the fact that there is no Jewish takeover of any Arab lands. You just cannot accept the historical facts. Whenever the Arabs attacked Israel such as in the wars in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973, there was captured land, but this is what happens when there is a war. What you do not understand and probably will never understand is that the Arab countries attacked Israel. Perhaps if the Arab countries would not attack Israel, there would be peace in the region. You criticize Israel for being attacked and for defending themselves. Just be honest, you do not believe that Israel has a right to exist.
We do like your view on Jews and that is the following statement. Do not try to makeup moral excuses as to why we should take what we want from the Jews. The Jews do not matter. Only Arabs matter.
As far as your Nazi comment, it is the Muslims that are in love with the Nazi regime and Nazi doctrine.
Did you visit our CodePINK page?
glen beaulieu wrote:
I just wanted to say that your website is disgusting. If you wish to persecute radicals and terrorists and even dedicate a webpage to it thats fine nut your apparent desire to repeatedly persecute the ENTIRE muslim religion is just plain wrong. Now I'm not totally positive on this but I believe you are a site with chrsitian values or a christian bas no? even if your not, this still applies. I could go on for hours anout the violence in christianity and the visible brutality of the religion but I won't. Why? necause it is needless. The fact is that christianity is a hateful, close minded, and violent religion too, yet it is based off of peaceful principles. Does this than not apply to muslims too? regardless of whether there are radicals within a religion, the entire religion should not be put down as a whole. I have met many respectable, and peaceful muslims in my life. The reason behind twisted radicals ideas can be blamed on the dedication required to follow Islamic law and the misinterpretation of the Holy Qur'an. In fact many of these radicals are iliterate and are simply preaching that which their fathers taught putting this hatred into a constant circle. I just ask you revise your views a bit and stop blaming the religion which is clearly what you are doing, intentionally or not.
So what is it that we got wrong? What facts are you disputing? We get a lot of e-mail complaining about exactly what you have said - that we are disgusting and hateful and whatever other complaints you have about our existence, but you never actually state where we are inaccurate or incorrect with our facts. The reason no one ever does this is because we are accurate and correct. What you have conveniently ignored is the fact that we clearly present the label of "Radical Islam".
Christianity has had their moment in history of evil as can be attested to with the Spanish Inquisition. But the one fact you forget is that Christians are the ones that straightened out their religion. It is Christian missionaries that travel all over the world bringing medical aid, food, and education to people that would otherwise not have such amenities and they do so based on the teachings of their religion.
Whenever you hear of a hijacking or terrorist attacks, Muslims are the first ones that people think of and they are usually right. Suicide bombings, civilians being killed by explosives, and machine gun fire in the middle of a market place are the mark of Muslims showing the world that Islam is a Religion of Peace.
The only people that can bring change to Islam are Muslims themselves and so far, we have not seen any large numbers of Muslims making any real attempt at straightening out Islam by standing up against the radicals that control Islam and thereby making it into a peaceful religion and based on the current state of Islam, this change is not going to happen anytime in the near future.
Islam is the only religion that is at war with the rest of the religions of the world. Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists all seem to get along pretty well, but it is Islam that has no problem killing anyone that worships any of these religions. Why is that?
Islamic terrorists use Islam as a reason for terrorism. The entire justification for killing innocent people comes from the teachings of Islam. We have clearly listed the passages from the Koran that give Muslims the message to kill indiscriminately. We have shown the less than peaceful attitude of the way that Islam is taught. What did we get wrong?
glen beaulieu wrote:
I did state the facts I disputed. That you are misrepresnting the Islamic faith. It is because of groups like this that radicals are allowed to thrive and breed hatred among their people. You claim that Islam is not a peaceful faith which it is. So when I do indeed state conflicting details don't dismiss it and still claim you are right. You are right that radical Muslims/ terrorists must be eliminated and/or dealt with but "an eye for an eye only makes the world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi.
You said was this website was disgusting and implied we were trying to persecute an entire religion. We clearly referred to "Radical Islam" as the cause for most of the terrorism throughout the world. You stated that Christianity was a hateful, close minded, and violent religion. You said that the Koran is misinterpreted. We have cited the Koran and many quotes from Islamic leaders that teach what Islam is to their followers. If the Koran is being misinterpreted, it is taking place in the Mosques by the leaders of Islam. But you have not disputed a single fact on the website. Everything we have placed on the website is accurate and true. You have only stated that the actions of Muslims and Islamic terrorists around the world do not accurately present a religion that is based in Love, Compassion, and Peace, but that is not our doing. That responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the Islamic terrorists that make up the voice of Islam and Muslims all over the world. We have only cited their efforts and given them full credit for what they have done.
You may not like what they have done, but that does not detract from truth. Do not blame the messenger for the deeds of others because of what is reported and kept for the historical record.
An eye for an eye might make the world blind, but there are none so blind as those that refuse to see. What we have on this website is the truth. You can loathe and detest us all you want, but you cannot dispute the facts on this website.
You should not be labelling the religion as one of violence for it is not. It is misunderstood but the foundations and teachings are based on peace. Terrorists wrongfully claim themselves as Muslims for in committing acts of terror they have violated the very foundations of Islam. Terrorists are Muslims in name alone.
We are only pointing out how Islam is being practiced and taught in Mosques all over the world. We have quoted the Koran and shown how it is less than tolerant of other religions and of non-Muslims. We understand that most Muslims are illiterate and uneducated, but they are being taught in mosques all over the world that infidels must be killed because it pleases Allah.
Perhaps a few quotes are in order.
"What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy when non-Muslims get killed."
-- Abu Hamza al-Masn, former leader of Supporters of Shariah
What is it about this statement that we have misquoted or misunderstood? This is what is being preached as the consummation and execution of Islam.
"Muslims must educate their children to Jihad and to hatred of the Jews, the Christians, and the infidels."
-- Saudi preacher Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid
What part of this quote tells anyone that Islam is a peaceful and loving religion? This preacher is teaching children to hate at an early age.
"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the late of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years."
-- Louis Farrakhan, City College audience in New York
"The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing."
-- Malcolm X, Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash
What are we misinterpreting? How else are we supposed to accept this?
Muslims around the world are taught to hate non-Muslims because in their eyes Islam is the only true religion and anyone that believes differently is not worthy of living. This philosophy is not coming from us, but rather from pulpit from the leaders of Islam. There is nothing wrong with our views as they are accurate based on our observations of Muslims living by the teachings of Islam.
If you want to read more about the dangers of Islam, take a look at the following link we have assembled for the convenience of all in search of the truth about Islam.
If you want to consider Islam to be a religion of peace, then question should be why do they fail to teach Love and Peace and Tolerance instead of hate and dominance over all other religions that want nothing to do with Islam? Since 11 September 2001, there have been over 14,000 terrorist attacks on civilian targets by Islamic terrorists worldwide where Islam was the basis for the violence. What other religions have this same record?
glen beaulieu wrote:
You will laso notice what religion is a majority in almost all developed countires: Chrisitanity. Yhis includes countries such as the U.S., Canada, U.K. (Scotland, Wales, England, Ireland), France, Italy, etc. You look where Islam is prominent: underdeveloped middle eastern countries. Now this is not to say all people there are uneducated but that a great many are.
If you examine history, you will see a time 500 years ago, at the end of the Dark Ages in Europe, everything was pretty much level as far as developing countries were concerned. Islam has spent a lot of effort keeping Islamic countries undeveloped, unproductive, and ignorant and they have been very successful.
When you take an honest look at countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the other oil rich Muslim countries, you will see very educated populations that have no intention of trying to educate their Muslim brothers in other countries. Much of what has kept them uneducated is Islam. The only reason that the oil producing countries have the financial resources is because of Western Culture that found oil and developed that part of the world to get the oil.
How can a religion move past discrimination and pure hatred when they know only the hatred their forefathers have taught them
You accurately described a very important part of Islam when you mentioned "discrimination and pure hatred". This is same subject matter you took issue with us stating. Leaving a religion that teaches hatred toward other religions would be a good start. If all Islam offers in these ignorant populations are "discrimination and pure hatred", a serious change would be a good idea. How many people will have to die to satisfy the bloodthirsty requirement to fill the hatred that is taught in Islam?
If the Koran is being misunderstood or misinterpreted, perhaps Muslim clerics that have an educated understanding of Islam should be sent to these countries to teach the Peace, Love, and Tolerance to those Muslims that only know hatred of non-Muslims from the teachings of Islam. This does not happen because this does not exist.
How can they eliminate these teachings when a vast majority have not read the Koran or can even read period. This task is near impossible without any form of educatio0n except for the teachings of their forefathers.
You do not know they have not read the Koran. The fact is most Islamic terrorists are well versed in what the Koran states. The 19 hijackers were well educated Muslims. If you look at the terrorists that come out of Yemen, you will see most are well educated Muslims. They have read the Koran and will give their life to serve Allah regardless how many people they have to kill to prove that Islam is a Religion of Peace.
Now you and me? we have the ability to look down on this and see cruelty, violence, hatred etc. and yes condemn it but you must do more than that. You must not hate but simply educate. Educate these people in the true teachings of their religion. Through this the goal of peace is more than obtainable.
Sincerely, Glen Beaulieu
One of the problems with Islam is that Muslims are taught that the only law that needs to be obeyed is Islamic law such as Sharia Law because these laws come from Allah whereas other laws come from men and are not valid in Muslim life. This is what they use as a justification to commit whatever crime they wish as long as it is justified in the Koran or Sharia Law.
Education is what this website does. We show the facts with video clips, photos, and quotations. We tell the truth about the dangers of Islam. We show their disrespect and hatred for all things non-Muslim. We have condemned what we have seen that is evil at the core. It is not up to us to teach the precepts of Islam as we are not Islamic scholars. It is up to the Muslim leaders that have failed to do what is necessary to make Islam a Religion of Peace. Not only have they failed to make Islam a peaceful religion, but they have gone out of their way to incite violence against all other religions. They speak ill of other religions while condemning those that speak the truth about Islam and often they do more than just condemn anyone that speaks against Islam... They offer death warrants, violence, and terrorism.
glen beaulieu wrote:
I jus wrote in and I just read that you represent the left wing and marxist ideals? I now need you to STFU because if your talking about marxism and left-wings than you are talking about communism or at the very least socialism (if reffering to marx then it is clearly communism) I myself am a communism and am revolted by your representation of communism and/or socialism in every sense of the word. have you read the communist manifesto? obviously not! and if you have than you misread it. If you havent and your are simply a socialized than you need to read it because marx unintentionally founded socialism through communism. Read up on something before you go around boasting yourselves asa reprentative of it.
We have no idea where you understood that we represent the Left-Wing and any Marxist ideals because we do not. At no point have we ever represented or desired to advance any Marxist, Communist, or Socialist ideals. As you have most certainly misunderstood what our views are on Communism, allow us to clear up this misunderstanding. We despise Communism with every fiber of our existence. We know the truth about Communism and Socialism. Both of these forms of government take away freedom and liberty from people and make them property of the state. Communism enslaves people, takes away their freedom, and lower everyone's Standard of Living to the lowest level.
Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? Have you studied history and seen how Communism has taken freedom and liberty from people and enslaved them to the state? We understand what Marxism, Communism, and Socialism is and we are aware of the dangers inherent with such systems of government. If you are going to challenge us on this, then you should read the editorials "Forms of Government" and "The Meaning of Marxism". You will note that "The Meaning of Marxism" comes directly from The Socialist Worker. All we did was to add our insightful commentary.
If Communism is so great, why do we not see a mass exodus of people from Capitalist societies running as fast as they can to live in the Communist Utopias such as Cuba, North Korea, or any other communist country? How many Russians wanted to leave the Soviet Union and migrate to the west? Compare that with the number of Americans wanting to leave the United States and move to the Soviet Union.
Do you remember the Berlin Wall? There was a reason that wall was built and that was to contain the residents of Communist controlled East Berlin. You always heard of Germans trying to escape East Berlin to freedom, but you never heard of any Germans trying to escape West Berlin to live in Communist East Berlin. Why did Communist East Germany have guarded borders and a no-man zone between East and West Germany? It was to imprison the citizens of East Germany.
What country do you claim citizenship? Is it a country with a Communist form of government? We can make all sorts of assumptions on this subject, but until we hear it from you, we do not really know and we really do want to know.
Most Communist countries cannot feed themselves. The USSR had a real problem with feeding the population. They always had to resort to buying grain from the United States. The reason is because Communism does not work. There were always lines for food, basic essentials, and everything else.
Compare North Korea to South Korea. They have basically the same resources, but they maintain a much different Standard of Living and a much different level of success. Why is that? Because Capitalism allows for an ever increasing standard by which success is measured. Communism allows for an ever increasing standard of dependency and reliance on the government to provide for the people. Remember the famous quote from Karl Marx.
"FROM each according to his ability, TO each according to his needs."
-- Karl Marx
Because work and effort is not shared equally, there is no incentive to work any harder than you have to. All you have to do is the minimum effort. Hard work is not rewarded. There is no incentive to improve if there is no reward for that effort. The big lie of Communism is that the means of production is controlled by the workers, but that is not true. The means of production is controlled by the government and in the end, the workers have very little say as to the means of production as promised.
By design, Communism and Socialism stifle competition, which is needed for innovation to occur. Capitalism thrives of competition which leads to innovation, better technology, economic growth and ultimately higher living standards.
In the USSR, there was always some 12 year plan that would lead to a perfect Socialist Utopia, but it never materialized because the Communist system of government does not work.
If you want to live your life as a Communist, you are free to do so in a Democratic Capitalist society, but in a Communist society, you are prohibited from keeping what you worked hard to earn. The fruits of your labor are taken from you and given to others that did not earn what you worked so hard to acquire.
Farzad Soleymani - Marand wrote:
My name is not necessary.
I have read your reviewed your website thoroughly and absolutely cannot believe the amount of hypocrisy and misled information that your website displays, particularly about Islam. I am not writing to argue, as you do not seem to intake or understand anything that the writers to your website say. However it is clear that you do not know anything about Islam, and I request of you to study the Qur'an and comparative religion. I am not looking for a reply. This is a simple request. The same way that you feel about the United States, Muslims feel about Islam. And believe me, I have been around the world man times, and there is no religion more peaceful than Islam. Remember, a Muslim is a Muslim if he follows exactly what the Qur'an says, and a true Muslim hates a man who kills others for political reasons.
We can see the results of Islam and the love it shares with the rest of the non-Muslim world. We see the results of the "peaceful" nature of Islam on the news almost daily. We have cited thousands of examples that grow in number each and every day illustrating the love Muslims show the rest of the world.
Therefore I have one final request, and you will accept this if you truly believe that your 'information' is correct. You debate online with many people from across the world who disagree with you. You may have heard of a man by the name Dr. Zakir Naik. He is one of the most famous scholars of comparative religion living today. If you TRULY believe that all of the 'information' on your website is accurate, particularly the ones on Islam, then I challenge you to debate one of these scholars, preferably Dr. Zakir Naik, as he references every quote that he says, and there are many professionals on the side who double check him. In my heart I KNOW that you will decline this request, giving many reasons such as 'a threat to your life' and so fourth. Dr. Zakir Naik is risking his life everyday. Would you do this for ONE debate? Please think about this.
For some time now, we have had a video clip of Dr. Zakir Naik on the website giving him a pulpit with which to show his view of Islam. We have no problem debating anyone with the information contained within the 150+ pages of this website. If Dr. Zakir Naik wishes to debate the material on this website, he is welcome to write us anytime and challenge the accuracy of this website. As you can see from the years this website has been operating, we have taken on all manner of e-mail from all points of view.
If you believe the information is wrong, please point out where we are incorrect. You obviously have some issue with some part of what we have stated as being less than accurate or true. Please point out where we are incorrect. Remember, it is the actions of the people that worship the religion that determine the peaceful or violent nature of a religion and as we have seen from the bombings and terrorist actions, it is clear what the nature of Islam is. Again, we are not referring to a few random events. We are speaking about over 14,000 terrorist attacks since 11 September 2001. This is not including the tens of thousands or car bombs and terrorist attacks in the 60 years before that.
If you have not already read the Islamic links, here is an opportunity to do so now. The historical information contained within the many pages here might inform you of facts you are not currently aware of now. Our mission is to inform.
P.S. The One we call Allah is the exact same One Christians and Jews call God. If you do not agree with this, then it is undoubtfully clear that you have not studied Islam one bit.
We agree with that statement. The problem is that millions of Islamo-Fascists that claim to practice Islam as the Koran teaches do not seem to believe that statement to the point of living in peace with other people that practice other religions. Based on their quotes to their followers, the leaders of Islam do not believe that statement either. If they did, there would be none of the killing or terrorism or calls for the beheading of disbelievers as we see so widespread in the teachings of Islam. If Islam was indeed a religion of peace, Muslims would not be at war with every other religion on the planet as opposed to Jews, Christians, Hindus, and people of other religions living side by side in peace. It only seems to be Islam that has the majority of conflicts with other religions, more than all the other religions combined, that only want to live a peaceful existence with others. All you have to do is to look at the photos on the website to see the hate that is so inherent with Islam.
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